talking guns, money and butter. butter fat to be precise. president obama inviting children to his gun policy announce many earlier today. just as the nra airs ads call is the president an elitist hypocrite for sending his children to school with armed guards. jane, is the use of children in the middle of these kinds of very, very polarized political debates, is it fair? is it right? >> i don't know. it is predictable, tyler. kids are upset about what happened at sandy hook and that's natural. i think guns, pardon the pun, make it an easy target. it is hard to to tell people that there are people in the world who are not right in the mind. >> john carnie, your thoughts? >> nothing new that children have been used for political pawns. i'm not sure this is the most rational way to conduct a political debate but it happens over and over again. >> i think the use of individuals, whether they are children, maybe especially children, being used as part of the scenery in a political event and whether the o 0rdnary people gathering around the presid